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May 21, 2006

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Liz

I'm kind of confused, because the Newsday article,

http://www.newsday.com/news/local/longisland/ny-lishok204749114may20,0,1480959.story?coll=ny-linews-headlines

says the state is looking at eliminating all aversives


The State Education Department has recommended a prohibition, with some exceptions, on the use of so-called aversive therapies to control troubled students, including a mild type of electric shock that has generated controversy on Long Island.

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Rebecca Cort, deputy commissioner in the education department and author of the report, said the proposal stops short of a ban on aversive therapy and recommends that it be used on a "child-specific" basis. The proposal applies to all New York students, including those sent out of state. The therapies also include physical restraints and dietary restrictions. She has also called for creation of a panel of experts - similar to one in California - that school districts must consult before they allow the use of an aversive therapy.

natalie

I was in a emotional handicap class and they had a time out room for the smaller kids to calm them down. However, it was only to for a few minutes. At the same time I was afraid of it. I saw a teacher holding my friend down on the ground with her arm behind her back to calm her down from her anger. She came from a broken home and needed to calm down. But at the same time the teacher could of broke her arm.

wavemaker

Pardon my intrusion here -- this issue arises in relation to the Judge Rottenberg School in Massachusetts, where about half the students come from New York. The electric shock treatments there are approved in advance by a judge and the child's parents. Are you suggesting that you or other disinterested "voters" are in a position to nullify their judgments?

janette

I live in Mass, I work on an adolescent pyschunit, as a staff nurse. You obviously don't spend quality time with these troubled adolescents. How could you, you're too busy making thing look good on paper. I see so many kids that are diagnosed with ODD,PDD,BIPOLAR,MAJOR DEPRESSION, AUTISM, and the vlist goes on. Maybe you would prefer more medication, o and therapy when i see the same kids walking through a door for the 5th time in 3months obviously the terapy doesn't work. Oh, i forgot to mention the DYS children we get, that would have no trouble ripping your throat out and justify it and put the blame on staff. Oh, and recently the little sweetie pie from Lincoln-Sudbury High in Ma, that just recently stabbed and killed his peer, but he has Asbergers so I guess he's excused. Or maybe you would like to blame the parents, bottom line most of these kids have no boundaries and are impulsive, yes aversion therapy might be a little harsh, but you you rather make future drug addicts out of them. Maybe you forgot they can be very manipulative, they have no choice, the system has failed them, there is a fine line between abuse and punishment, but maybe you would like to give them a big hug after they have beaten you. Seeing most of these kids lack self-discipline. As a nurse i have tried every approach(I do not work on a unit that uses aversion therapy), i have taken care of adolescents from rich,poor,and middle class families with varying and multiple diagnoses. These same sweeties i have showed kindness have turned around and hit me, kicked me, spit on me and abused me. I'm sure they've done the same to others, but maybe you are the cure all. I apologize for the sarcasim, but you need to be a little more updated. The minute these kids get a psych diagnosis is an excuse. Did you ever think some kids as some adults are, are just plain bad. When teachers have to clear out and disrupt a whole classroom because someone is having a fit, that's a problem. These adolescents have common problems, anger, rage, and hurt and they can justify anything they do wrong. So my whole point is this if parents want their kids there, what is your problem. Maybe pain is all some people understand God knows I've taken care of enough Borderline adolescents who like to cut themselves. I would just like to add this: Most facilities today are understaffed(4 patients to 1 staff) looks good on paper though. Also i do not penalized the kids for swearing at me, breaking walls(which i then have to send them out from x-rays for hand pain, because they think they broke their hand) i could care less about the walls, slamming doors, or throwing things, it's a form of release and that's ok. I have them go to their room and cool down, and yes i have restrained some or have had some in the infamous quite room. I have also had some who feel safer being restrainted and safe in the quite room, for whatever their reasons are, mostly it's attention, something they don't get or don't feel they get, because as you should know if they don't feel safe stated or observed they are monitored in the quite room. I'm quite sure this will not make your page for others to read and that's ok, but i do feel bad for the parents who are seeking help and have exhuasted every effort to no avail, but maybe you can take their sweeties to your house for a week and fix them. It's their choice, those parents pay pretty good money to send their kids there, but i guess that doesn't matter to you.

solo

As a School Psychologist, I resent Ms. Alpert's snide dig about our qualifications and level of expertise. Most SP curriculums reqire a minimum of 72 graduate school hours which DOES include extensive education in behavior management/modification, (among many other areas) and then three more years of field supervision by a senior SP is required. These requirements far exceed those required for most master's level Licensed Clinical Social Workers, whom I do not see Ms. Alpert attacking. Ms. Alpert may be referring to "psychometricians" whom some states hire, ostensibly for testing purposes only.

I personally have not met anyone in my profession who endorses inappropriate use of exclusion and restraint, or punishment as a means of genuine behavior change.

A mechanism for getting rid of incompetent and/or sociopathic school administrators would go much further toward solving the problems of students being abused under the guise of, "discipline." Such individuals are the bane of the SP's existence. Such individuals are protected by the system, and we are not. School system politics is like any other politics....omnipresent and too often omnipotent.

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